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8 bolt flywheel


i just got a 8 bolt flywheel,its right at 14 5/8 in diameter,it has 146 teeth,it looks just a little big to fit a smallblock bell,im told its off of a Hemi,what have i got?,will it work with a smallblock bell,if so what starter do i need
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ron37
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Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Thu 24 of Feb, 2011 [17:38 UTC] score: 0.00
I noted that you ask about bolting the AX15 directly to the hemi. You will have a clearance issue. The hemi crank sticks out just a tad more than the small block crank. I am using a 172 tooth flywheel and it hits the teeth on the casting on the upper sides. Actually a 3/8" spacer would clear it. I have done it 2 ways. First I got a hemi with a small block adapter already on it and bought a crankshaft/flywheel adapter or spacer from Bob at HH. Then on the next one we did the cut down of an original 3/4" pre-56 adapter and I got a HH crank spacer from a guy at a swap meet. I bolted a late gear reduction started on both.

No matter what you try, if you need some odd ball deal and know what you need, Bob probably has it. If Bob doesn't have it, he probably knows someone who does or has an even better idea of how to get around your issues.

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Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Wed 23 of Feb, 2011 [17:28 UTC] score: 0.00
If you use the original 3/4" hemi spacer. Cut the bottom half off and drill new indexing holes, it will work. The indexing pins have to be right on, close doesn't count. Buy the flywheel to crank spacer or adapter from Bob Walker. Be sure to tell Bob which tranny input shaft size you have. The Jeeps have 5/8", while the Dakota's have a 3/4". Either get the 172 tooth post 55 flywheel or just replace the ring gear. 172 tooth ring gears are $35 on eBay. Heat the old ring gear with a torch and beat it off. Chill the flywheel in your freezer or otherwise. Later heat the new ring gear and use a big hammer and wood block to tap it on. It should tap on easily, if the ring is hot and the flywheel cold. Do it rather quickly. Allow it to cool on its own. The AX15 will work fine. Bolt a late model starter right up to the AX15 bell housing. I sometimes have to use a 1/16" or 1/8" spacer on some made out of aluminum to spacer out the starter. Sometime the spacing is just right. This way you can also use the original AX15 lower cover plate. If you want, I can make you an adapter plate with the indexing pins in the right spot to bolt everything up right. The same goes for the Dodge NV3500 tranny. I have several adapter plates. Need more input, Evenings - Cell 812-459-4190.

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Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Fri 18 of Feb, 2011 [16:49 UTC] score: 0.00
> i just got a 8 bolt flywheel,its right at 14 5/8 in diameter,it has 146 teeth,it looks just a little big to fit a smallblock bell,im told its off of a Hemi,what have i got?,will it work with a smallblock bell,if so what starter do i need

I started with the same large diameter flywheel ( originally mounted on an industrial engine powering a water pump. It had no ring gear but had a splined plate bolted to it driving the pump). I had it cut down at Wilcap to mount a late model 130 tooth ring to match the later mini starter and plan on using it with a QEC adapter plate (from their torqueflite adapter kit) with a standard small block bellhousing. I had Wilcap install a bearing in the center of the flywheel to pilot the transmission. I've got it mocked up but not in the car yet. Looks like it's going to work fine with my A833 4 speed.

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Re: Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Tue 22 of Feb, 2011 [23:21 UTC] score: 0.00
> > i just got a 8 bolt flywheel,its right at 14 5/8 in diameter,it has 146 teeth,it looks just a little big to fit a smallblock bell,im told its off of a Hemi,what have i got?,will it work with a smallblock bell,if so what starter do i need
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> I started with the same large diameter flywheel ( originally mounted on an industrial engine powering a water pump. It had no ring gear but had a splined plate bolted to it driving the pump). I had it cut down at Wilcap to mount a late model 130 tooth ring to match the later mini starter and plan on using it with a QEC adapter plate (from their torqueflite adapter kit) with a standard small block bellhousing. I had Wilcap install a bearing in the center of the flywheel to pilot the transmission. I've got it mocked up but not in the car yet. Looks like it's going to work fine with my A833 4 speed.

who is QEC?,do they have a website?
thanks in advance!!

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Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Tue 15 of Feb, 2011 [13:42 UTC] score: 0.00
Rhad: The 146 tooth flywheels were used from 1933 till 1956 and require the original manual bell and starter. Although the SB bell bolt holes are in the same location, the dowel pin location and depth are differant. To run a late trans, you'll need an adapter. Have fun, Bob Walker


> i just got a 8 bolt flywheel,its right at 14 5/8 in diameter,it has 146 teeth,it looks just a little big to fit a smallblock bell,im told its off of a Hemi,what have i got?,will it work with a smallblock bell,if so what starter do i need

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Re: Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Tue 15 of Feb, 2011 [17:44 UTC] score: 0.00
> Rhad: The 146 tooth flywheels were used from 1933 till 1956 and require the original manual bell and starter. Although the SB bell bolt holes are in the same location, the dowel pin location and depth are differant. To run a late trans, you'll need an adapter. Have fun, Bob Walker
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> > i just got a 8 bolt flywheel,its right at 14 5/8 in diameter,it has 146 teeth,it looks just a little big to fit a smallblock bell,im told its off of a Hemi,what have i got?,will it work with a smallblock bell,if so what starter do i need

im wondering if a person had the 146 tooth flywheel turned down to where a 143 tooth ring gear from a dakota would fit on it would it be possible to bolt the AX15 directly to the Hemi engine,or would the depth of the starter flywheel not index correctly to let the starter work?????
thanks!

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George
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Re: Re: Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Tue 15 of Feb, 2011 [22:32 UTC] score: 0.00
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> im wondering if a person had the 146 tooth flywheel turned down to where a 143 tooth ring gear from a dakota would fit on it would it be possible to bolt the AX15 directly to the Hemi engine,or would the depth of the starter flywheel not index correctly to let the starter work?????
> thanks!

Nope! Any post '62 tranny requires an adaptor due to a bell pattern change. When you buy the kit it should have the 426 hemi flywheel & you use a modern big block starter on it.

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on: Wed 16 of Feb, 2011 [00:55 UTC] score: 0.00
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> > im wondering if a person had the 146 tooth flywheel turned down to where a 143 tooth ring gear from a dakota would fit on it would it be possible to bolt the AX15 directly to the Hemi engine,or would the depth of the starter flywheel not index correctly to let the starter work?????
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> Nope! Any post '62 tranny requires an adaptor due to a bell pattern change. When you buy the kit it should have the 426 hemi flywheel & you use a modern big block starter on it.

is it just the dowel pins that changed,or did the actual 6 bolt pattern change??

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on: Wed 16 of Feb, 2011 [16:50 UTC] score: 0.00
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> is it just the dowel pins that changed,or did the actual 6 bolt pattern change??
The locating pins moved. Evidently redrilling isn't practical or not possible haven't checked my self but I'm sure others have.

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rhad
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Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Mon 14 of Feb, 2011 [20:23 UTC] score: 0.00
> i just got a 8 bolt flywheel,its right at 14 5/8 in diameter,it has 146 teeth,it looks just a little big to fit a smallblock bell,im told its off of a Hemi,what have i got?,will it work with a smallblock bell,if so what starter do i need

this is all for a buddy of mine in NZ,he has a 330 desoto and wants to use a AX15 dakota 5spd trans,i came up with this flywheel and it appears to big around to fit inside the bell of the dakota trans,so do i understand that he needs a adapter of some kind so he can use the Hemi starter and then mount the dakota bell and trans to it??
thanks in advance!!
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JACKM
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Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Mon 14 of Feb, 2011 [18:23 UTC] score: 0.00
Forgot to say, the 'A" clutch set up will require an adapter kit.

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JACKM
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Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Mon 14 of Feb, 2011 [18:22 UTC] score: 0.00
Use the 'A' bellhousing, and the starter and tin from the same engine will work. The flywheel you need is a 426 Hemi. If someone remembers the dia and tooth count. Not sure if the one you have is correct.

I have an original truck flywheel, clutch assy and bellhousing for sale if anyone is interested.

capyjack@comcast.net

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George
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Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Sun 13 of Feb, 2011 [22:35 UTC] score: 0.00
> i just got a 8 bolt flywheel,its right at 14 5/8 in diameter,it has 146 teeth,it looks just a little big to fit a smallblock bell,im told its off of a Hemi,what have i got?,will it work with a smallblock bell,if so what starter do i need
All of the pre '63s have the same bell pattern, so it should fit! Use the 392 starter & spacer, so the tooth count is the same

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George
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Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Sun 13 of Feb, 2011 [20:38 UTC] score: 0.00
> i just got a 8 bolt flywheel,its right at 14 5/8 in diameter,it has 146 teeth,it looks just a little big to fit a smallblock bell,im told its off of a Hemi,what have i got?,will it work with a smallblock bell,if so what starter do i need
8 bolt would be a pre '63 V8, or 426 hemi

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rhad
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Re: Re: 8 bolt flywheel
on: Sun 13 of Feb, 2011 [20:59 UTC] score: 0.00
> > i just got a 8 bolt flywheel,its right at 14 5/8 in diameter,it has 146 teeth,it looks just a little big to fit a smallblock bell,im told its off of a Hemi,what have i got?,will it work with a smallblock bell,if so what starter do i need
> 8 bolt would be a pre '63 V8, or 426 hemi

i was told it came from a 58 392,will it go inside a smallblock bell?,and if so,what starter does it take??


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