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Aluminum desoto heads


Will anyone ever make an aluminum desoto head, I've posted about this before and was told some company made a real limited production but none can be found. Even a cast head that would just flow better than the stockers. I think its the only thing that will hold my 341 back from making any real power.
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tsunamiracing
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Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Tue 26 of May, 2015 [05:40 UTC] score: 0.00
I have 3 desoto 330s and would love it if some one would make aluminum heads for them, as well as a single plane manifold, possibly a.tunnel ram, and would buy the heads as well,

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Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Tue 18 of Feb, 2014 [03:45 UTC] score: 0.00
To my knowledge Wilcap never made any Aluminum Heads for the DeSoto. They did make their own crankshaft and rods for the Indy effort.

Howard of Howard's Cams made the Aluminum Heads and they were not for Bonneville although he ran there, they were for his boat called the MixMaster. A 266 cu in. hydroplane with a Desoto for power in 1952 and it set a world record in Miami at 122 mph with a best of 127 one way. The motor made 310 HP.

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Re: Aluminum Desoto heads
on: Sun 28 of Apr, 2013 [23:52 UTC] score: 0.00
> Will anyone ever make an aluminum Desoto head, I've posted about this before and was told some company made a real limited production but none can be found. Even a cast head that would just flow better than the stockers. I think its the only thing that will hold my 341 back from making any real power.

Wilcap may have made some in the past for the Indy effort. I have emailed the company two times with no response. However, I am positive the company that made 10 sets was Howard heads. I know a guy that has a set and will not let them go for anything. Trust me I collect Desoto speed parts and have tried. He said the patterns were lost due to a fire many years ago. His have Chrysler sized intakes so they accept Chrysler split intakes. I know the intakes are not the same length but he says they work and he has run his in land speed efforts before. The owner of the heads said he has seen three other sets over the years and most of them were used in sprint/midget/land speed type racing and had been milled down to far for street use.

One of my main goals when I get home from Afghanistan is to have some patterns made and cast a few sets. As someone stated above it is labor of love. I do this because the Desoto Hemi is my favorite motor. I will not sell any if and when I get them done. I'm not in a hurry, I have 50 years of hotrodding left in me. Hell I'm not sure how they will preform. I just want to do it for the fun of it. I have a pattern maker ready and awaiting blueprints. I need to get a set of my tall deck heads to the company I have been talking to scan them into thier computer and design them to be cast in aluminum. To include shrinkage and such. I get it, it will cost a mint but I have been saving for this project for awhile.

The only thing that will keep me from doing this project is if someone else produces a set in the next couple years. I am 95% sure this will never happen since the market is to small. If anyone has a set scanned into or designed on auto cad or a simular program I am interested in buying them.

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Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Sun 31 of Mar, 2013 [15:16 UTC] score: 0.00
Sorry to say, but I don't think anyone will make aluminum heads for the DeSoto Hemi unless it is strictly a labor of love. There doesn't seem to be enough interest to justify the enormous expense of designing and producing such a thing. I designed and make the DeSoto 4BBL intakes that Hot Heads sells (Vintagev8s), so I know what's involved with such an endeavor. I released the 330-345 manifold about 2 1/2 years ago, and it will probably take another 2 1/2 years before I break even.
I'd love to have an aluminum head for the DeSoto's, and I can design and produce them, but the market just isn't there.
Bill

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Re: Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Fri 07 of Feb, 2014 [21:35 UTC] score: 0.00
> Sorry to say, but I don't think anyone will make aluminum heads for the DeSoto Hemi unless it is strictly a labor of love. There doesn't seem to be enough interest to justify the enormous expense of designing and producing such a thing. I designed and make the DeSoto 4BBL intakes that Hot Heads sells (Vintagev8s), so I know what's involved with such an endeavor. I released the 330-345 manifold about 2 1/2 years ago, and it will probably take another 2 1/2 years before I break even.
> I'd love to have an aluminum head for the DeSoto's, and I can design and produce them, but the market just isn't there.
> Bill

Bill,

I'm a little late to the conversation from the date on the post but I happen to be a BIG Desoto hemi fan. Have a 341 (major work) in my 49 Studebaker pickup....460hp/450tq/6000rpm. The idea of an aluminum head is very interesting. You say you have the skills/tech to make them but not cost effective. What are we talking in terms of design/production costs. It seems to me people are starting to find out that the Desoto is very bit as good as the Chrysler they just need the speed parts. Very interested in exploring this....please respond.

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Re: Re: Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Sun 16 of Feb, 2014 [15:10 UTC] score: 0.00
Hi Ward,

I agree that the DeSoto Hemi is every bit as viable as the Chrysler Hemi. It's a very good engine, but as you said, very few speed parts are available for the DeSoto. One of the big problems is a lack of camshaft cores, but it appears that Bob Walker at Hot Heads is addressing this issue with the release of his new roller lifters for the DeSoto Hemi. I haven't talked to Bob recently, but I'm sure roller cams will also be available.
Another problem is that DeSoto Hemi buyers have, at least in the past, been short of money. They bought a "Hemi" cheap, not realizing it was a DeSoto, and not realizing that speed parts weren't available. That's why I designed the VintageV8's manifolds for the DeSoto's. This filled one niche, but there are many other parts missing from the DeSoto Hemi speed parts menu.
As previously mentioned, I am very interested in making aluminum heads for the DeSoto Hemi. I can design and manufacture them. I'm sure there are a few people that would buy them. What I don't know is if there are enough people willing to pay enough to justify the effort required to produce the heads.
If you are seriously interested in developing aluminum heads for the DeSoto Hemi, please contact Bob or Debra at Hot Heads. I give them the authority to provide you with my personal email address. Tell them it's Bill from VintageV8's We can go from there.

Bill

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Re: Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Wed 10 of Apr, 2013 [17:02 UTC] score: 0.00
I have one of Bill's 330/341/345 aluminum intakes on my Desoto motor and just love it. I know there must be more Desoto guys out there who could you this manifold. I highly recommend it to anyone with a hot rod with a Desoto engine. It takes probably 40 lbs off of the motor and puts the carb about an inch higher for much better air flow. Bill, if you do ever make aluminum heads for the Desoto's put me on the list for a pair. Moparruss

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Re: Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Thu 04 of Apr, 2013 [20:18 UTC] score: 0.00
" I designed and make the DeSoto 4BBL intakes that Hot Heads sells (Vintagev8s), so I know what's involved with such an endeavor."

So what is it going to take to get you to redo your intakes to fit a Poly 318? Check the Ebay prices for used Weiand 7503s, last I checked they were upwards of $500. Your intakes look MUCH NICER than the old Weiand design. Shoot, at present the cheapest intake one can find for Poly 318 is the factory 2-4s intake. The cast iron 4-barrel OEM intakes went over $500 a long time ago.

Regards,
R.

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George
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Re: Re: Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Sun 09 of Feb, 2014 [01:38 UTC] score: 0.00
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> So what is it going to take to get you to redo your intakes to fit a Poly 318?

they're out there now....

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341fury
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Re: Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Mon 01 of Apr, 2013 [02:10 UTC] score: 0.00
>I purchased one of your intakes. Nice work. Just wondering how in demand were they, are a lot of people after desoto performance parts? I know its a far stretch for the aluminum heads but you never know what HotHeads are up to.

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Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Thu 28 of Mar, 2013 [14:46 UTC] score: 0.00
Sorry ,another one of my lame attempts at humor. At least another guy responded. I'll shutup .

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Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Wed 27 of Mar, 2013 [22:12 UTC] score: 0.00
> Will anyone ever make an aluminum desoto head, I've posted about this before and was told some company made a real limited production but none can be found. Even a cast head that would just flow better than the stockers. I think its the only thing that will hold my 341 back from making any real power.

I had heard on another blog that Wildcap had made 11 sets and that they were used mostly for some Bonneville attempts. I too am building a 341 and have been reseaching the possibility of making some Aluminum heads. Certainly a daunting challenge. But hey, I like challenges. I suppose their are a few steps to consider. One being that you can copy an original. You will need to cut it up to design the cores for the water jacket. Second is that you really don't want an exact copy of the original. You would want to do as Hot Heads did when they made their Aluminum heads. Staighter ports. A little more meat under the springseat. (what else?) It would be nice to get a copy of their ports so you could copy them. Once you got your design right the pour is tricky but I imagine a decent foundry could do it. Next problem would be the machine work.
I have seen pictures of Bob's raw castings before and after machining. Thats a lot of machining to do! If you have the right CDC then there is a lot of set up for the first but you can make it up if there is volume.
I have watched other peoples efforts at selling High Performance Desoto parts. Particularly the intakes and web girdles. Not too many hemi owners
building all-out Desotos. Cheaper to build a Chrysler. In my own case I have constraints as to the size of the motor that will fit under my hood. The Desoto will. The Chrysler won't.
So if anyone else is interested in the project I would love to hear from them

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Re: Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Tue 18 of Feb, 2014 [03:39 UTC] score: 0.00
> > Will anyone ever make an aluminum desoto head, I've posted about this before and was told some company made a real limited production but none can be found. Even a cast head that would just flow better than the stockers. I think its the only thing that will hold my 341 back from making any real power.
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> I had heard on another blog that Wildcap had made 11 sets and that they were used mostly for some Bonneville attempts.

To my knowledge Wilcap never made any Aluminum Heads for the DeSoto. They did make their own crankshaft and rods for the Indy effort.

Howard of Howard's Cams made the Aluminum Heads and they were not for Bonneville although he ran there, they were for his boat called the MixMaster. A 266 cu in. hydroplane with a Desoto for power in 1952 and it set a world record in Miami at 122 mph with a best of 127 one way. The motor made 310 HP.

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on: Tue 18 of Mar, 2014 [21:07 UTC] score: 0.00
I have been giving a lot of thought to concept of aluminium head for my Desoto projects. If I did I would copy the design of the Aluminum DOHC head that Chrysler made in 1964 the A-924 project. I have enough pictures to work out the basic design. I have found a foundry that will work with me on it. I have a buddy who works on a 4 axis CNC. I am looking for a guy in one of my clubs that does solid works CAD programing for 3-D printers. So, if I can get all of the players on board who know. I may just be a concept that new comes to fruition but who knows.

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Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Wed 27 of Mar, 2013 [01:58 UTC] score: 0.00
I have consulted a gypsy woman with a very accurate crystal ball and she tells me not only will someone make an aluminum head for DeSoto in the year 2021 a DeSoto will win the Daytona 500 beating out all the Hondas and Toyotas and be the only American car manufacturer left in business. She says DeSoto will have an unrivaled racing department. Pretty cool news but be patient. Hehehehe

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Re: Re: Aluminum desoto heads
on: Thu 28 of Mar, 2013 [02:57 UTC] score: 0.00
> I have consulted a gypsy woman with a very accurate crystal ball and she tells me not only will someone make an aluminum head for DeSoto in the year 2021 a DeSoto will win the Daytona 500 beating out all the Hondas and Toyotas and be the only American car manufacturer left in business. She says DeSoto will have an unrivaled racing department. Pretty cool news but be patient. Hehehehe

Dave if you don't care about the topic, you don't have to chime in every time I make a post. Thanks


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